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Contents 1 Benjamin Mountfort FAR 2 Palazzo Pitti 3 Palace Hotel, Perth GA Review: on hold 4 Architectural drawing 5 RMJM - awards 6 Article alerts 7 Dispute on Floor 8 Notability of residential colleges 9 "Estipite" column 10 WP:NOT#PLOT 11 LDS temples 12 Categories (posting here because this looks inactive) 13 Does your WikiProject care about talk pages of redirects? 14 Architectural drawing 15 GA Sweeps invitation 16 Does demolition take place at the bottom of buildings? 17 Missing articles about sculptors linked from List of papal tombs 18 Outside opinion 19 Lubbock High School 20 One of the best outlines 21 Architectural drawing 22 Proposed Mills task-force 23 Old St Paul's Cathedral GAR notice 24 Joffrey Tower GA Sweeps: On Hold 25 Andriyivskyy Descent GA Sweeps: On Hold 26 Architecture journals request 27 Fascist architecture 28 Mark Twain House GA Sweeps: On Hold

[edit] Benjamin Mountfort FAR

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[edit] Palazzo Pitti

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[edit] Palace Hotel, Perth GA Review: on hold

I have reviewed the GAN of Palace Hotel, Perth, and have placed the article on hold. I did the review prior to seeing that the nominating editor had retired, and I figured I'd leave a message here in case editors wanted to assist in fixing the minor issues to help the article reach GA. I will also leave a message on another related WikiProject talk page to get more editors to possibly assist in the workload. The majority of the changes should be easy to fix and shouldn't take too long. If you have any questions let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk)

[edit] Architectural drawing

Please have a look at my recent changes and discuss on the discussion page TomAlt (talk) 08:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I didn't check what TomAlt changed specifically but had a quick look at the article. This comes a day after I got an earful from a camera shop owner telling me "Wikipedia is full of rubbish, just check out your own field and you'll see what I mean". Although I don't agree with him on Wikipedia as a whole, that is certainly true generally of the architectural coverage in Wikipedia. I sometimes wonder if any of the contributors are actually architects. So yes, I had a quick look at the article and I have to say, it is a complete mess. There are spelling mistakes, tautologies, grammatical errors and wrong tense throughout (starting with the opening paragraph). In other words, it is alarmingly illiterate. That's before you get anywhere near the content and frankly I don't have the patience to get into that in detail. The whole thing needs a very comprehensive edit, this sort of thing lets Wikipedia down badly. ProfDEH (talk) 10:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I changed only some of the structure of that article and rearranged some stuff, what was unfortunately taken back by the main author. As an architect I agree that the article needs a lot of work. The language mistakes are obviously due to the fact that the main authors mother tongue is not english. The more needed is a edit by someone whos really good in english and prefers editing above critizising. TomAlt (talk) 19:13, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] RMJM - awards

The RMJM article, while about an undoubtedly notable architectural firm, has (until I put it to the blade) become something of a PR vehicle. While I've slashed a bunch of stuff, I've left the lengthy list of awards put there by the (apparerently) PR person. I'm concerned that, which some are very notable awards (like a Stirling Prize) others aren't notable. Could someone take a look at the article, especially that section, and zap those awards that we wouldn't expect to have on the articles of their recipients. Mimetic Polyalloy (talk) 23:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

(bearing in mind that the Skidmore, Owings and Merrill article doesn't list any awards, which is probably too far in the other direction). Mimetic Polyalloy (talk) 23:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

A list of awards is not really any use here and it unbalances a very short article. The main thing you want to know about architects is what have they built. What the article really needs is an expanded project list with dates (some of those listed are from the 1960s), brief details, and only in exceptional cases mention of an award. ProfDEH (talk) 22:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Article alerts

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[edit] Dispute on Floor

A new editor is adding material on sustainable flooring to Floor that I consider not relevant enough and contains unnecessary references to a commercial site. I have suggested the author set up a separate article on sustainable flooring and that at best a sentence or two should be put into the floor article. The site advertished has tried puttng in a number of ads on their own before. The new editor has an ip supporting him and blanks anything onto his talk page and has not replied on the article page, he just says its not ads on my page and another editors page who also objects.

Could somebody look at the new material and provide another opinion please? Dmcq (talk) 15:07, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

It is now a separate article and looks reasonably useful and relevant. ProfDEH (talk) 09:49, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Notability of residential colleges

A RFC has been submitted on the best way to deal with the existence of many Wikipedia articles on residence halls and dormitories at colleges and universities that may not be notable. The input and feedback of members of this project would be appreciated. Madcoverboy (talk) 16:58, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Estipite" column

I am trying to find out the English word for the column style known in Spanish as "estipite" Its defined as an inverted truncated pyramed shaped column associated with Baroque architecture (at least it is in Mexico). I cant seem to find an English word for this anywhere! Thelmadatter (talk) 18:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] WP:NOT#PLOT

WP:NOT#PLOT: There is an RfC discussing if our policy on plot, WP:PLOT, should be removed from what Wikipedia is not. Please feel free to comment on the discussion and straw poll.

Apologies for the notice, but this is being posted to every WikiProject to avoid accusations of systemic bias. Hiding T 13:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] LDS temples

Some LDS temples are covered by this WikiProject. Should all LDS temples be covered? LDS-SPA1000 (talk) 02:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

A specific category already exists for LDS temple architecture: Category:Temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As far as tagging is concerned, they could be tagged under the project, but be careful not to overtag since they probably already fit many categories- religion, regional, and so on. Perhaps only if they have some level of architectural notability? (registered historic status, noted designer, press outside of the LDS community) tedder (talk) 03:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Would a Mormon temple be suited to categorizing as a church? Is the general concept of church large enough that it includes a temple? Binksternet (talk) 14:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

If what you say is true, there should be three templates, 1 for WP Architecture, 1 for WP Christianity, and 1 for the region.

Depends on your definition of church. Members of the Mormon church do not meet there for Sunday worship. LDS-SPA1000 (talk) 17:11, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Categories (posting here because this looks inactive)

Category:Greek Revival buildings is a subcat of Category:Greek Revival architecture, which seems unnecessary and redundant IMHO. The GR buildings category is the only one in Category:Buildings and structures by type which includes a specific architectural style. A CfD took place in 2007, but resulted in no consensus. I was going to start another CfD, but thought I'd get the project's opinion(s) first. APK straight up now tell me 19:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

cough APK straight up now tell me 21:56, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Does your WikiProject care about talk pages of redirects?

Does your project care about what happens to the talk pages of articles that have been replaced with redirects? If so, please provide your input at User:Mikaey/Request for Input/ListasBot 3. Thanks, Matt (talk) 02:05, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Architectural drawing

I've tried to get involved in this article - as a practicing architect I can see many errors, irrelevancies and inconsistencies, the only solution is a massive edit. Wikipedia ought to have a proper article on the subject. The editor involved is unfortunately asserting ownership of the article, reverting the smallest edit and recently removing the cleanup tag without making any improvements. His English is also a problem, one I would be happy to correct if the content didn't need completely reorganizing and editing, which as things stand is going to be a complete waste of time. Please can some experienced WikiProject persons look into this and advise. ProfDEH (talk) 11:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Please, just start make the changes you think are necessary. After I created the article User:TomAlt has rearranged the article, and on the articles talkpage I have invited you to do the same two months ago. I don't think your person attacks are that justified. I have been rewritten the Technical drawing article and numerous other articles in the same style. Now I have my flaws, and I keep my doubt about the current state of the Architectural drawing article as well. I would like to invited everybody to help improving this article. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 15:23, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] GA Sweeps invitation

This message is being sent to WikiProjects with GAs under their scope. Since August 2007, WikiProject Good Articles has been participating in GA sweeps. The process helps to ensure that articles that have passed a nomination before that date meet the GA criteria. After nearly two years, the running total has just passed the 50% mark. In order to expediate the reviewing, several changes have been made to the process. A new worklist has been created, detailing which articles are left to review. Instead of reviewing by topic, editors can consider picking and choosing whichever articles they are interested in.

We are always looking for new members to assist with reviewing the remaining articles, and since this project has GAs under its scope, it would be beneficial if any of its members could review a few articles (perhaps your project's articles). Your project's members are likely to be more knowledgeable about your topic GAs then an outside reviewer. As a result, reviewing your project's articles would improve the quality of the review in ensuring that the article meets your project's concerns on sourcing, content, and guidelines. However, members can also review any other article in the worklist to ensure it meets the GA criteria.

If any members are interested, please visit the GA sweeps page for further details and instructions in initiating a review. If you'd like to join the process, please add your name to the running total page. In addition, for every member that reviews 100 articles from the worklist or has a significant impact on the process, s/he will get an award when they reach that threshold. With ~1,300 articles left to review, we would appreciate any editors that could contribute in helping to uphold the quality of GAs. If you have any questions about the process, reviewing, or need help with a particular article, please contact me or OhanaUnited and we'll be happy to help. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:10, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Does demolition take place at the bottom of buildings?

At World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories (discussion on talk page), we have a statement from a New York Times article [1] that says: "Controlled demolition is done from the bottom of buildings [...]". This does not seem to be factually correct, as there are various pictures in reliable sources that show explosives ignited at multiple levels (especially of taller buildings) simultaneously. Where can we find other statements from reliable sources to check the statement from the New York Times article? Any help is very much welcome!  Cs32en  15:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

First, take a moment and laugh at this 27-second video of the failure of a bottom-only demolition attempt.

Second, traditional building demolition starts at the top and works down, and from the cladding inward to the skeleton. Picture workers with sledgehammers, etc.

Explosive demolition must address every point of strength over the total height of the building, with sequenced explosions taking place within moments of each other. If the building is surrounded by other buildings, 'implosion' (explosions bringing the building inward) is required so that the debris settles into its own footprint.

Here's a HowStuffWorks article which includes a three-stage explosion diagram starting at the center bottom and moving toward the top of the building.

In other cases, a building needs to be pulled to the side as it collapses. Here's page 2 of a Popular Mechanics article where they describe how a building might be destroyed in lateral steps. These refs should help your argument. Binksternet (talk) 16:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Missing articles about sculptors linked from List of papal tombs

This article contains several redlinks to sculptors, some of whom are quite important. If you are interested in creating articles about these sculptors, that list has some seed information, sources, and images, which you may find useful. Savidan 03:04, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Outside opinion

A discussion regarding the Golden Gate Bridge is taking place here. An outside opinion would be helpful. Thank you. APK lives in a very, very Mad World 19:54, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Lubbock High School

Lubbock High School has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. Nikki♥311 21:14, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] One of the best outlines

Outline of architecture is one of the best articles in Wikipedia's Outline of knowledge, but other WikiProjects are beginning to catch up and surpass it in quality with their subjects' outlines.

Can you make it better?

The Transhumanist    00:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

It's looking good now the pictures are properly arranged.

[edit] Architectural drawing

I'm trying to work Architectural drawing up from its present C-class rating, would be grateful if you or others involved on the architecture project could monitor progress and provide some comment. ProfDEH (talk) 10:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Mills task-force

Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Historic_sites#Proposed_Mills_task_force please. Mjroots (talk) 10:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Raised at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Mills Mjroots (talk) 10:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Old St Paul's Cathedral GAR notice

Old St Paul's Cathedral has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Joffrey Tower GA Sweeps: On Hold

I have reviewed Joffrey Tower for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:53, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Andriyivskyy Descent GA Sweeps: On Hold

I have reviewed Andriyivskyy Descent for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Architecture journals request

There's a request for copies of articles from 3 architecture journals at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#Architecture_journals; if any member of the project has access to "RIBA Journal" (2002), "Architects' Journal" (1971) or "Building" (1979), please reply there. Thanks, Bencherlite^Talk 16:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Bencherlite - for future ref, I have AJ's from 1996-97 and 2006-present also AR's from 2006-present - all of which miss your dates - most uni libraries in the uk carry them from way back when. --Joopercoopers (talk) 00:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh to still be a student... Thanks anyway. Bencherlite^Talk 07:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Fascist architecture

There are three categories for fascist architecture, Germany Portugal, and Italy. Franco's tomb would certainly qualify. But,,, theses are really just Art Deco buildings. The Art Deco buildings the Italians built in Italy are not different stylistically than the ones they built in Eritrea. I think these categories should be moved from facsist to Art Deco.Historicist (talk) 22:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Mark Twain House GA Sweeps: On Hold

I have reviewed Mark Twain House for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 07:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)