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Peace, rkmlai (talk) 10:47, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Architectural style

OK, I know its not Polk County, but what would you classify this architectural style as? American 70s mall, fire hazard, ugly, butt ugly, putrid, mission-wannabe, mission-cardboard box hybrid, or Battlestar Gallactia spaceship reject? OR maybe I missing one from what is now my favorite sports arena in the greater Salem area. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:31, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Early-Late-Postmodern Shingle-Pueblo Pizza-Box Monstrosity. aka What Were All Those Architects in the 1970s Smoking? All it's really missing is Avocado, Burnt Orange or Harvest Gold. Does it double as a waffle iron? Katr67 (talk) 09:47, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I think we know what they were smoking. I'll bet you'll find the burnt orange inside, likely in the form of fake tile. I can't mock too much though, we had burnt orange carpet as a kid. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Since I'll be on the road most of tomorrow, could you make a dab page for George Steel and add links for the Oregon one and the Michigan one (both George A. and both were state treasurers)? Should keep you busy and away from certain areas. Aboutmovies (talk) 11:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Allll unwatchlisted, even the ones I wrote. Sure I can do that. Nice work on Lausanne too. Katr67 (talk) 11:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Oregon Coast

Per the conflict resolution: Dear Katr, I did not mean to offend. I was making what I thought were constructive changes and suggestions to the site and every one was deleted. My comments were met with hostility and accusations. I looked for help to resolve the conflict. When I did a search on Wikipedia, I was led to editor assistance which I thought was the next place to take it. I was not aware of any other options. You have been very kind and helpful since you have become more involved. Thank you for your participation.Lhammer610 (talk) 19:40, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] OLCC Update

Hi, KATR, I am the chief information officer for the Oregon Liquor Control Commission. I was informed that the OLCC Wiki had outdated and incorrect information. I was making an effort to bring it up to date. Thank you for sending me the COI information.

Are you the person who is moderating this wiki to make sure the information is current? If so, I would love to work with you to update this information. If it is more appropriate, I could send you information directly to post.

Thank you again, Christie Scott

OLCC1933 (talk) 17:25, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, see Pete has answered you and that you have a new user name. Like Pete said, I'm not the one who moderates "this wiki" (Just a minor quibble in terminology of mine: note that the wiki is the entire site--around here the individual articles are called pages or articles, not wikis.), but I do have an interest in Oregon-related articles and a strong dislike for copy-and-paste and COI, however well-intentioned, and noticed the changes to the article on WikiProject Oregon's watchlist. I like the rewrite efforts of your new (I'm assuming that's you) account, and I can take some time to start updating the article. Thanks for your efforts in working with us. I'm glad Pete is involved, I was going to mention this to him, since he helped a lot with Alcohol in Oregon. Just for future reference, it's almost never OK to copy and paste new material over the content of an old article, especially when the existing formatting, wikilinks, etc. are destroyed in the process. Also, though the info about the former director may or may not be timely, please note that Wikipedia is not a sanitized version of the history of your agency, and if unflattering information is relevant, written neutrally and attributed to reliable sources, then it will be in the article along with everything else. Hopefully you understand about COI now, so that will no longer be an issue. I would like to see the article fleshed out a bit more, so I'm happy to collaborate with you. P.S. Likely your e-mail is posted on the agency website, so it's not a big worry, but I removed it from here as a spam-protection. Katr67 (talk) 03:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] article alerts

You know these article alerts are autogenerated by a bot, right? tedder (talk) 04:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Yep, and the bot seems to screw up the formatting a bit so I fixed it. Is there something else I should have done? Katr67 (talk) 04:48, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

It definitely has an issue with that. The right way is probably to alert the aabot people- I have trouble doing complex things while on the road, or I would. Just wanted to make sure you knew why it was breaking every so often- an edit war with a bot would probably not end well :-) tedder (talk) 04:54, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I gave up tangling with the orphan bot, but I bet I can take this one on. ;) Katr67 (talk) 04:57, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] introductions.

Hi Katr67, I'm being bold and introducing myself. My name is Christian Hejnal and I play in a band called Scarling. with my wife Jessicka. I just wanted to put it out there that if you had any issues with any pages related to my wife, my band, our roommate Lisa Leveridge, my co-worker Rickey Goodling or myself, please don't hesitate to come to me directly. I'm happy to help.

I am new to wikipedia and currently trying to get familiar with all the rules and protocol here. I believe whole heartily in a neutral stance but also would like things written about any of the previously mentioned pages to be 100% factual. I'm about to do an interview with a third party publication to set some things straight. Until then I just wanted to introduce myself because I plan on sticking around awhile.

=)

Xtian1313 (talk) 01:51, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Oregon Government 2.0

Hi. A while ago, you expressed interest in the effort to put state works in the public domain. The central hub for that has moved to a PDX Wiki Wednesday page, and now there's a discussion forum. We have made quite a bit of progress, but we are hopelessly short on active members. If you're still interested, I urge you to get involved. Please check out the PDX Wiki Wednesday page and the forum for the progress we've made so far, and other info. Thanks! — Athelwulf ^[T]/_[C] 21:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Edits/Deletions

Hello Katr67,

Per User:Chzz's request I am asking if there is any way to unlink my wife Jessicka's name and my band Scarling's name for this part of you talk archive: User:Katr67/Archive2.8 RE:Kyle Justin

Basically the accusations made by User:Godblessyrblackheart are false and I don't want slanderous talk linked to my wife or my band.

Forgive me if I'm out of line in asking this. An extensive talk on User:Chzz's talk page:

• User talk:Chzz#Being Bold.
• User talk:Chzz#Quick question
• User talk:Chzz#All edits

Not sure if you want to go through reading all of that mess- but I believe the final consensus was to either delete or unlink slanderous remarks. This of course entirely up to you.

Thanks for taking the time to read this, Xtian1313 (talk) 00:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not real interested in getting embroiled in this situation (and never have been), but I'll take a look at my archive. It shouldn't be a problem to unlink those articles. Good luck. Katr67 (talk) 00:37, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Fun stuff

If you are looking for a good DYK opportunity, see Frenchglen Hotel State Heritage Site. I added an article from the Oregonian which describes some interesting use of dynamite that would make a good hook. That source and the state database and the UO library one should give you enough sourcing for a 5X expansion. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

another Oregon name theory and a citation for Oregon as the 20th state (they go by order after the first 13). Aboutmovies (talk) 07:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] V is for Victory at the COTW: Brought to you by the Letter W (naming rights still available)

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[edit] disambigs

FYI, prompted by your comments at Talk:Phillips House, i've asked for some wider feedback at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#followup feedback sought on NRHP disambiguation. I do think there's some room for improvement in the NRHP dab page format that i've been applying. I'd welcome your general or specific comments in that forum. doncram (talk) 08:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Zeus is a really cool dude and he thinks these WP:ORE articles are cool too

Greetings WikiProject Oregon guys and gals. Once again it is time for another edition of the our niche market Collaboration Of The Week. As always, thank you to those who worked on the Ross Tower and Walton. For this week we have the Calapooya Mountains and by request (and in honor of the opening) the venerable Portland Saturday Market. Just remember, if you are feeling blue, try breathing (rimshot please). Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] OR school articles

Thanks on this, and FYI on this, in case you want to share your opinion. tedder (talk) 02:02, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Jinx! I just sent you a note. You're welcome. I'll take a look, thanks. Katr67 (talk) 02:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] St. Mary's School edits

Very nice editing. You went much further than I in cleaning up style and you also (appropriately) linked the school to the regions "Southern Oregon" and "Northern California". Your profile indicates that you are very busy in real life; so am I. Nevertheless, you have managed to learn much more of the Wikipedia methodology than I have so far. Maybe I'll catch up over the summer!Hal Wing (talk) 06:07, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Francis/Frances

Thanks for your attention to, and clean-up of, my new page on Francis J. Murnane. (Francis is the correct spelling.) I am somewhat new to this and am a fast learner, so hopefully there will be less clean-up next time.

You offered help with references, and I'd love to know more. We only have photocopied articles. I can reference them (ie Oregonian, June 10, 1959), but I can't link to anything electronic. What do you suggest? WikiGolightly (talk) 08:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi, just a quick note. References don't have be electronic, though it does help with fact-checking. For newspaper refs, we need as much of: author, date (day, month, year), name of newspaper, and title of story that you can get. Section and page numbers might help if you have them. Aboutmovies watches this page--do you have anything to add AM?

Oh, and it sounds like Mr. Murnane may be notable, but please do remember that Wikipedia should not be used as a means for promoting the saving/restoration of the memorial. Personally (not speaking for all of Wikipedia), I think that sounds like a good cause, (which may or may not be notable) but please be careful about violating our guidelines about promotion and conflict of interest. Cheers, Katr67 (talk) 15:33, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Ditto on the sources, off line is fine, provide as much as you can just like you would for a term paper in school. With the second part, also WP:SOAPBOX comes to mind with how the article reads/structured along with the companion dock article. Writing a neutral and encyclopedic article is fine, but Wikipedia is not here to promote any cause such as preservation of the dock any more than it would be here for to promote destroying the dock. We are Switzerland, we don't take sides. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks AM. I was also going to say that you can use the templates (or at least the format) at Wikipedia:Citation templates, and do your best and someone else will be along to fix them if they need it. There's a beginner's citation guide here: WP:REFB. I've seen the rough recommendation that a minimum there be a citation for each paragraph. Folks like AM and I tend to aim for a citation for every sentence (this makes things easier for folks coming along to add to the article later). Questionable claims should always be cited, especially things like "he was very influential" or "he was considered the best Wikipedian ever". I hope that helps. Katr67 (talk) 21:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Our boy

Hi, Katr. I saw your message over at Scientizzle's page. I wanted to let you know that I've been aware of "our boy" since he popped back up in March (you are correct about him, of course). I've been keeping tabs on him and his other two open socks User:Sally77 and User:Rhodeislandroger. I preferred to wait and see whether his activity became disruptive again before filing another SPI. I see that yesterday was a big flourish of activity from him -- but nothing particularly problematic so far. Since he probably watches Scientizzle's talk page (he did before) as well as your own now because you reverted him yesterday, he may be aware that his cover is blown. We'll see what he does. I'll continue to keep an eye on him. And thanks for doing the same. — CactusWriter | ^needles 06:59, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki humor

So these people not only copied all the pictures from the Hillsboro article, but they also copied the text, including red links. I don't think I've seen that before. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:52, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, they are the "econolodge"--probably can't afford to take their own pics. Don't they have to put a note somewhere that they got the text from Wikipedia? Unfortunately, their website doesn't have insta-editing capability. Did you catch the "Hillbsboro, Oregon" in the header? So how many websites does that make now that are using your pics? Katr67 (talk) 16:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

That's how I always spell it, I learned that from the USGS/GNIS, who cited the Econolodge! ;) And yes, they are breaking copyright law right now by not attributing the text to Wikipedia. As to photo "borrowers" I think I've come across about 10 sites/blogs with my pics, though only OregonLive was using one that required attribution. That's the only reason I even do the CC licensing with most stuff since the commercial sites don't want to have to do that. But these were older pics from before I started catching people re-using them. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] User:Pioneercourthouse

I added the latest questionable user, and it says something about posting it to the checkuser summary page, but that page is protected. I wonder if you'd mind looking at this and fixing it as needed. I also posted this request at WP:ANI, but you were the last to touch this one, the last time, a couple of months ago. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 14:27, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Another user moved it from Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Pioneercourthouse to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Pioneercourthouse. So hopefully we're good. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 14:54, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

He gone, and without a whimper. Just a quack. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 04:18, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] U too can help Oregon

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[edit] merging Oregon City SD, how should it look?

So the merge to Oregon City School District (Oregon); how should the middle school entry actually look? I figure it should be turned into a paragraph form, but I work best from example, especially with the coordinate entry and such. Can you point me at an article showing something similar? tedder (talk) 01:10, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Just a minute, there's 3 or 4, I'll see if I can remember where they are... Katr67 (talk) 01:12, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Hrm. It seems most of the examples are dreadful. Here's the best one: Salem-Keizer School District, where I merged in the Walker Middle School info (and split off the info on its namesake into a new article). There are also a couple with this bullet point approach: Greater Albany Public School District (but ignore the awful embedded els). I don't know if other states have better examples. The rest of these are varying degrees of awful: Tigard-Tualatin School District, Canby School District, and North Marion School District. The info here is also the result of a merge: Wilsonville, Oregon#Education, but it needs to get moved to the school district article. Looks like I've been slacking in my campaign to move the school info to the SD articles and keep them reasonably free of dreck. So many school districts, so little time... Thanks for offering to clean up! It was needing a little more of my attention than I had at the moment. Katr67 (talk) 01:34, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Done! I'm kinda proud of myself. And I like the bullet layout for those. tedder (talk) 03:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! I kinda hate to burst your bubble, but I did say to "ignore the awful embedded els" in the bullet point example. In other words, since Wikipedia is not a directory, it's preferable that there only be one link to each website in an article, so a single link to the school district website should suffice. People can easily search a district site for the specific school they need. If there must be multiple links in the article, it's better to use them as references instead of embedded in the headings. I can dig up the relevant guideline if you're interested. But my personal opinion, based on my interpretation of the guidelines, is that the only hotlinks in the body text of an article should be to other Wikipedia articles. Hotlinks to external sites seem to encourage linkspamming and general article clutter. The adding of external links in this way is often done in good faith because new editors tend to copy the format of the existing article, but it's spam nonetheless. I also think embedded titled links look worse than refs, but that's just me, your mileage may vary. Katr67 (talk) 16:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

You are right, I missed that, and I'm not a fan of the embedded ELs either, for the reasons you give. So you think they should be simple refs? Or something like "School name link"? I'm assuming the former. (I wouldn't mind having you do it so I can what you think it should look like) In general, ELs in articles are suspect to me too. tedder (talk) 16:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad you agree! Sorry if I overexplained. I'd say use the individual school webpages as refs if they back up facts listed in the article about the school. I think that's a good compromise and good citations are always a good practice. But if there are not facts, just a listing of the school name, I'd say there should not be an external link anywhere but in the el section (and only to the main district page). Go for it! Otherwise I'll probably have time to go into Wikipedia hyperfocus this evening if you don't get to it... Katr67 (talk) 17:03, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Done. LMK if you disagree with the format. tedder (talk) 18:37, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Rajneesh movement

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[edit] Law in Oregon Law

Hiya. Good Olfactory tried to redirect Category:Law in Oregon to Category:Oregon law, but you undid the change with the comment "sorry, we need this". I'm struggling to figure out a reasonable way to fit both these categories into the larger Wikipedia category structure, when one category would fit much better. Can you explain why the two separate categories are needed? —Ipoellet (talk) 20:11, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Because Eastlaw (talk · contribs) would not let us put anything that did not pertain exactly to the laws of the State of Oregon into the Oregon law cat. But we did need a category that would allow us to include things like lawyers, federal cases, etc. As I recall, Eastlaw was unable or unwilling to offer an alternate suggestion, despite being asked quite civilly. If we could encourage the "owner" (who appears to be Eastlaw) of the "Your state here law" categories to expand the criteria for inclusion in the category, then of course we could merge the two categories. Other suggestions are welcome. Aboutmovies (talk · contribs) might have some input as well. Thanks for asking. It would be nice to clear this up. Katr67 (talk) 20:29, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Some background:

Page history of Category:Law firms based in Portland, Oregon

Eastlaw's response

Another discussion where we were asked to remove articles from the "Your state here law" category

Postdlf's request to Big Smooth

I think there was one more discussion with Aboutmovies and maybe me on Postdlf's page, but I can't find it right now. Katr67 (talk) 20:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

More discussion between Aboutmovies and Eastlaw. We obviously could use some 4th, 5th and 6th opinions, please, thanks. Katr67 (talk) 20:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

more discussion between Postdlf and Big Smooth. Katr67 (talk) 21:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Yikes! I haven't read all those links yet, but I'm sure they will be helpful. Thank you. BTW, I've been busy creating those categories recently and overlooked adding the WPOR banner to them. Thanks to you and Aboutmovies for picking up after me. —Ipoellet (talk) 18:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

(unindent) Yeah, there was a bit of a kerfuffle. But my summary above should suffice as an explanation. I did just move "Oregon law" into "Laws of Oregon" as a subcat, so that should hold it for now. It did look dumb in the category tree to have both of them there, but I didn't get around to doing anything about it until now. Thanks for your good work, and no problem about the wpore tags--that's what wikignomes are for. Katr67 (talk) 19:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Bring on the COTW

Good afternoon WikiProject Oregon peoples. It is time again it is time for another round of the Collaboration Of The Week, Volume 82. Thank you to those who worked on Algoma, Oregon‎ and Brian McMenamin, both saw some great improvements and are up for DYks. This week we have Mary Alice Ford and by request Waterfront Blues Festival. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Live long and phosphorous. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Oregon Coast Category

Hello Katr67. Out of curiosity, why were the Category:Oregon, Category:History of Oregon, Category:Oregon Country, incorrect for the Oregon Coast? Just trying to learn and understand. Thanks. Lhammer610 (talk) 17:00, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Category:Oregon is a top-level cat. Most articles should go in sub-catergories of the Oregon cat. (see the category page for an editing note regarding this) The Oregon Coast is a region. Ostensibly, all regions in Oregon are part of Oregon history, thus this is overcategorization and thus unnecessary. Category:Oregon Country refers to a specific time period in Oregon history, and again, ostensibly all regions would be part of this category, so again, it is overcategorization. If it is indeed necessary to have the Oregon Coast included in these categories, then its parent category--Category:Oregon Coast--should be what is included in the other categories, and not the main article Oregon Coast. I hope that explains. Katr67 (talk) 17:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

"I hope that explains." Uh, maybe, but still confused. I see that the Oregon Coast belongs under Category:Regions of Oregon. But I would have suspected that the Regions of Oregon belong under the Category:Oregon. That way, a reader might go from Oregon to Regions of Oregon to Oregon Coast? The only connection I can find is from Category:Oregon, to Geography to Regions to Oregon Coast. Is that direct enough? I am not suggesting that a change be made, but I don't understand the proper flow, even after looking at the convoluted graphic on the Wikipedia:Categorization page and reading the explanation. Thanks. Lhammer610 (talk) 21:24, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't make the rules, I just try to follow them. Katr67 (talk) 23:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] getting into the commonsflow

Successfully uploaded my first pic today, and put it on the page where it was needed. (a) Did I specify things in the upload properly? Any comments? (b) The Kenny & Zuke's Delicatessen page now looks weird with the image. I'm obviously not including it correctly. Can you fix so I can see what I should have done? tedder (talk) 06:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Yay for drinking the commons Kool-Aid! I think Aboutmovies fixed K & Z. I'll take a look at the pic later. Gotta run, Katr67 (talk) 23:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I took a look, and everything looked fine. I did add a wikilink to the article so people can easily navigate, but that's optional. I also corrected your "credit" on your user page from your copy and paste. But the cats on the article look good, and just FYI there tends to be fewer cats on Commons, so there are often fewer on the pics than articles on Wikipedia. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:07, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Hee! Thanks for fixing the stolenborrowed credit line. And good to know how to link to en.wiki. More soon, and I'll quit hijacking katr67's page. tedder (talk) 06:21, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] OIC

Thanks...yeah, another one I sat on for a while before springing it from Zeus's forehead fully armored. Trying to get back into the swing of things around here! --Esprqii (talk) 15:40, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] DYK for Algoma, Oregon

On May 5, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Algoma, Oregon, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Well done! Paxse (talk) 14:03, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Portland Monthly

Do you have WP:RS sources for these unsourced changes you added back into the article [2] ? Can you please add back in the sourced material that was inappropriately removed? Thank you, Cirt (talk) 20:47, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Did you read my edit summary? Look at the other editor's talk page. I'm the first person to come down hard on self-promotion/advertsing, but this person is trying to act in good faith, I think. You are being remarkably stubborn for some reason. Do we still need sourced info about the previous editor? I'm not sure we do. Please discuss it on the article's talk page. Katr67 (talk) 20:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC).

Did you have a look at the information and sources you removed from the article? Please revert your last edit - we can certainly discuss what sources to examine to add the updates - but in the meantime why remove sourced info? Surely the source was still good for historical background on who was the editor at that time ? Cirt (talk) 20:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I give up. Have fun. Don't post here anymore about this. Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 20:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Apologies

I apologize if I came across a bit strong. I had actually discussed with Peteforsyth (talk · contribs) that the user's first action after their block expired was to continue the same exact pattern of WP:SPA WP:COI behavior of introducing unsourced material while simultaneously removing sourced information. Peteforsyth (talk · contribs) said it was okay to revert the WP:SPA's edit as vandalism. Of course these changes can be discussed and hopefully implemented to update the article - I just don't see why we should do so in an unsourced manner from a conflict of interest source, while simultaneously permitting the removal of sourced info. Again I apologize for the miscommunication. Cirt (talk) 20:59, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I just don't see why the addition of the name of current editor should be controversial, despite the editor's previous actions. I was trying to show this person that the Wikipedia community can be helpful--friendly even--even to folks who have a (stated, mind you) COI. I didn't really like getting my wrist slapped for that. Apology accepted, but enough now, I'm trying to work. Good day. Katr67 (talk) 21:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

You are correct, again I am sorry. Cirt (talk) 21:12, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Cirt and Katr, much of this was my fault. Cirt asked my advice through email, and I provided advice without looking at the most recent edits, encouraging him to revert that edit. I think that's the point where the whole situation headed south, and I feel bad about it -- since I didn't have time to properly review the situation, I should have refrained from advising anyone else, and left it up to my capable WP:ORE colleagues. I think the content is on the right track now, thanks to you guys, not to me.

I'll reach out to the Portland Monthly editor, too. -Pete (talk) 18:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Date formatting

Hi Katr. I posted a short reply to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Oregon#Date formatting in citations yesterday in response to your note. Today, I'm having second thoughts because the user who changed the gnis template in Tryon Creek appears to be changing these templates globally or at least widely. In addition to changing the date formatting, the change is deleting the publication dates from the gnis citations. I've written to User:Droll this morning to explain the situation. See User talk:Droll#Recent changes to gnis template to see the message. I don't know what Droll will say, but the thought of having to change hundreds of m-d-y dates to yyyy-mm-dd and to hunt down and re-insert publication dates to accommodate a new template doesn't make me happy. As far as yyyy-mm-dd goes, the ISBN thing and the button thing don't quite do it for me despite what I said two days ago. Flip. Flop. Finetooth (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Clatskanie Middle/High School

I know you were looking at the Clatskanie HS article (and thanks for work on moving/renaming). Can you look at it again and let me know what you think? I.e., are the events listed all encyclopedic enough? Can you help me with a DYK on it? tedder (talk) 19:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

(oh, and follow up on my talk page, since there's a DYK discussion there. Normally I'd prefer to stay on your talk page since I started the discussion here, but it's probably easier to centralize on mine). tedder (talk) 19:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

What typo? —EncMstr (talk) 20:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Should be Clatskanie Middle/High School, is currently Clatskanie MIddle/High School since the former needs to be speedy deleted. tedder (talk) 20:21, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Y Done —EncMstr (talk) 20:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Digital Trends

Hi,

We have updated the headline. Please help me with a little detail on the remark "rm unnecessary cats and els" ([3]) that you've shared out with my article titled 'Digital Trends'

Your suggestion will help me to make this article better. Also please suggest me the way to move this article to main article page.

Thank you.

Digital Techno (talk) 11:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I simply removed some things that don't belong on a talk page, which has nothing to do with how the article would look in main space. I also didn't look at the rest of the suggested edits in terms of whether or not they fit our guidelines. I've restored your suggested edits to the talk page and I'm inviting other editors to come help you out. I'll check in later, I'm very busy right now.

Can folks who watch this page work with this good faith (and yes COI) editor and try to help him/her out with the article? (Note that I have made no assessment of the notability of this entity) Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I started to fix the last batch of changes, but it was too much work. It seemed better to go back until before them, so I reverted. Some of the new content is probably salvageable, but needs citations—a lot of work. —EncMstr (talk) 22:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC) That's strange. It must have been a different article. —EncMstr (talk) 22:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey Enc, I think you were thinking about the Skipper's article... Gotta run. Katr67 (talk) 23:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

I have updated the main article page while affirming the reference of content with a popular electronic product review website (www.digitaltrends.com). In addition, I've also did some minor copy editing to make the article stand in terms with wikipedia rules.

Please suggest.

Digital Techno (talk) 06:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you leave a note at WikiProject Oregon. Folks may be slow to reply over the weekend, since hopefully everyone will be outside enjoying the nice weather. :) I probably won't be on here much for a few days. Cheers, Katr67 (talk) 07:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Signpost: 18 May 2009

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[edit] Big Sandy, Oregon

Howdy,

Where is Big Sandy, Oregon?

I was watching Bonanza today and in the episode "The Beginnings", they talked about Big Sandy, Oregon. Sure enough I searched the Internet and there are letters from the 1850s & 1860s from Big Sandy, Oregon. The natural jump would be to think Sandy, but I can't find a reference.

Do you have any ideas?

> Best O Fortuna (talk) 23:01, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I reckon I've never heard of the place. A search of GNIS reveals that the Sandy River (Oregon) used to be called the Big Sandy River and there is a dam and reservoir named after it, but no settlements. That doesn't mean there wasn't one, but there probably was never a post office named Big Sandy, Oregon. So maybe they did mean Sandy, Oregon... I can check Oregon Geographic Names later. I'm curious about those Google hits too. (Other wise I'd reckon the place is fictional.) The only other Big Sandy I know is in Kentucky.

It warms my lil' ol' heart to be asked an Oregon geography question. Happy Trails! Katr67 (talk) 23:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

No, the Google hits look good, a New York Times article from 1858. A letter from Horace Greeley as he passed through there, and some of those genealogy website letters. I think it was a real place. The early Bonanza episodes were pretty good at taking actual places and events then weaving them into their story.

Take a look at this:

Pioneer Tales of the Oregon Trail and of Jefferson County

Page 272-273

> Best O Fortuna (talk) 23:43, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I looked at the Google hits. Good stuff! According to the pioneer narrative it seems to be near South Pass, so I'm thinking they meant Oregon Country (or Oregon Territory) and not Oregon? Could it be Big Sandy, Idaho today. Or ??? Katr67 (talk) 23:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Try searching the book for: "Big Sandy Station"

That book is from Nebraska, that can't be the same one... Idaho might be it...

If the letter from Horace Greeley is talking about the South Pass to Fort Bridger, Wyoming, then this would be the place: Pony Express: Chapter Six: DIVISION THREE: STATIONS BETWEEN HORSESHOE CREEK AND SALT LAKE CITY. Wow, that is a long way from present day Oregon...

(unindent) Yes, looks like Big Sandy, Oregon is present-day Big Sandy, Wyoming. Here's a Google map from South Pass to Big Sandy, WY. And in 1858, when at least one of the narratives was written, it still would have been in the Oregon Territory, judging by the map. Now all we need to do is make an article on the Wyoming place and redirect the Oregon place there. :) Thanks, that was fun to figure out. Katr67 (talk) 16:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I convienced now that Big Sandy, Oregon is now in western Wyoming. I wish I could find a map on the Internet that would show it, with good detail and a nice large size. But they are to small. See what can happen when one watches Bonanza? Lorne Green was my first television father figure.

> Best O Fortuna (talk) 03:02, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Why Did You...

Remove my News Register sources from the Wheatland Ferry page? And if they aren't sourced, why should the accompanying statements (I made) remain? diff

206.212.233.176 (talk) 19:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Are you Leovenous (talk · contribs)? diff Don't forget to log in. I removed the News-Register links because of "link rot" per the edit summary. Unfortunately, there was no other accompanying information about the citations, otherwise the citations could have stayed. But a broken link doesn't do us much good. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/O-vanish for more information about link rot, paid newspaper archives and importance of always using full citations.

I left the statements because, well, I assumed good faith that they were true. At the same time, I added the {{refimprove}} tag for the overall article. I could have {{fact}} tagged each individual statement that you added, but there are several other facts in the article that were also unsourced. Would you prefer I delete all unsourced info in the article, because I can do that. Some editors do so and they are well within their rights to do that. I tend to take a more moderate approach to things that obviously aren't vandalism. It seems you added several other statements that also aren't cited, so I'm a bit confused about your concern.

If you have the title, date, and author of the News-Register sources, feel free to restore the citations. If fact, please do. Sometimes this info can be gleaned from archives. This will help in case someone wants to check the source article for accuracy and for our readers who might like to do further research. I hope this helps. Katr67 (talk) 20:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Here's what the article will look like with all unsourced info removed. Katr67 (talk) 20:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] User:Pioneercourthouse on ANI

There is a proposal on WP:ANI to formally ban that idiot, now that he's branching out into harassment and trying to get other users in trouble. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 03:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] List of casinos in Oregon

You may want to look at List of casinos in the United States to see how the state files are used. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I did look! The list is sortable, so you need the "State" field. Now, most lists I've seen that break out individual states no longer list the items from that state but rather just use {{main}} or something. I guess for this there's a need for a sortable list of the entire U.S. and the individual state articles. I've just never seen anything like that before. If you think it's necessary, great! I'm not going to argue. Am I missing something else? Did I do something wrong? I think my and Another Believer's changes improved the list. I checked to make sure I understood what the "District" field is for, though Oregon doesn't really have districts per se. I'd also suggest that you are going to continue to run into this problem, so if there is a need for specificity when editing the fields there really needs to be an editing note added to each page. Thanks for all your hard work! I hope you're not having a bad day or something. :) Katr67 (talk) 05:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] XOXOXO - Oregon loves you, now love Oregon back!

Greetings to WikiProject Oregon folks. It is time again it is time for another round of the Collaboration Of The Week. A big thank you to those who worked on Mary Alice Ford ‎ and the Waterfront Blues Festival, both saw some great improvements. In honor of the great weather, we have our Semi-annual Great Oregon Picture Drive for this week’s collaboration. You can go out and take a picture, or search for a free one on the Internet, or in some cases remove an old request. See the bottom of this page for some links to a variety of free sources. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Please advice

We have modified the content as per WikiPedia norms. The required references proving site's authenticity has also been integrated. May we now remove following header from the page?

A major contributor to this article appears to have a conflict of interest with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (May 2009)

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Please advice.

Digital Techno (talk) 09:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Pioneer Courthouse

FYI: You may want to take a look at these edits by Vivianaponkhead (talk · contribs). The long-term block on Pioneer Courthouse Square appears to have resulted in a new target being found on the Pioneer Courthouse article. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

and Pioneer Place‎ by Pleebusy (talk · contribs). Yay- might be time for another CU to find out what other accounts he has, or semi-prot some pages? tedder (talk) 02:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

*sigh* I guess everyone has to have a hobby. He's clever enough to be helpful, if he wanted to be. He could get all kinds of positive attention and pats on the head. Too bad he's chosen to be a "scum vandal" instead. Katr67 (talk) 16:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Signpost: 25 May 2009

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[edit] minor nitpick (with myself)

School colors. Is it "Royal Blue and Gold", or is it "Royal blue and gold", or (the compromise) "Royal blue and Gold"? I'm not a language geek. (it's for CGHS) tedder (talk) 05:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Door number two. Thanks for playing! Katr67 (talk) 13:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Another one for you. I somewhat like the edits, but it's a muddy paragraph. I'm the first to admit my wordsmith skills aren't the best. tedder (talk) 04:32, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Blech. I find this less compelling than untangling the Bull Run Watershed article, but I'll see what I can do. This job might require chocolate... Katr67 (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Music of Oregon

Why did you remove Floater from the Portland page? They are a very popular independent band of Portland and should be mentioned in that section. Not mentioning them, is like ignoring the elephant in the room. Bias via omission? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.220.115.10 (talk) 22:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Before I answer your question, why are you accusing me of bias? On what basis do you assume I might be biased against Floater? Please read this important Wikipedia guideline before you answer. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 22:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, maybe I made an assumption too quickly. But the wiki page mentions independent bands and omits probably the biggest unsigned independent band in Portland: Floater. And then it gives examples of bands that are anything but independent, having been signed long ago. [added more] Floater was signed to Elemental Records back in 1994, but that was a small independent label from Oregon, and is pretty much defunct right now. The other listing for Floater has them under Typhon records which is a creation of the band themselves. And is rarely used. Floater routinely packs major venues in Portland, including the Crystal Ballroom, the Roseland theater, and Dante's. They've played other popular venues from times past including the Aladdin Theatre and La Luna. All the other so-called "indie" bands mentioned on the page include ones that have been signed by major or smaller labels (but still potent) like Epic, Capitol, and Matador records. Floater however remains absent from the wiki page when the independent music scene is spoken of.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.220.115.10 (talk) 22:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict--reply written before IP editor added more to his/her post) That's better. I may be old, but I like all kinds of music. I won't get into my old-school punk rock cred, but I have seen Floater a couple times and they're pretty good (if not my favorite genre). And I'm from Eugene and I'm all for Eugene bands being sucessful. I've noticed that Floater's fanbase has enthusiastically added a great deal of content to Wikipedia and that's great. However, some of these additions look to me like they run afoul of our guidelines about advertising and spam. I support the efforts of the grassroots, but be sure you're following Wikipedia policy and guidelines so your edits don't get reverted. This template is a good place to start: {{welcome}}. Now, as for your edits, there are two problems with this statement. One, the word "probably" is what is known as a weasel word--one that is used when someone can't cite a reliable source for his or her statement. Two, the statement seems to be based on pure opinion, or what is known here as original research. I might be able to be convinced that Floater should be mentioned in the article's lead, especially since they are "truly" indie, but I'd like to see a reliable source that they are in a league with the other bands mentioned. And yes I know some of those bands have sort of sold out. By the way did you notice that Floater was already mentioned in the Eugene section and that I put a note on the Floater entry in the Portland list pointing this out? Cheers. (P.S. Please read the "Read Me" box at the top of this page about signing posts. Thanks.) Katr67 (talk) 23:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I make edits when I can, and signing in is sometimes a problem when on the run. I'll work on that. Floater originated in Eugene, but has been in Portland for far longer as a band, and they should be included there. I can see how you would think those previous inclusions appear to be based on pure opinion, but having been a follower of the band and immersed in the culture surrounding the band for since 1997, I know it's not opinion. What is needed for you to do some research on Floater since you are the one so quick to edit them out of the wiki. You're right, the words need some cleaning up to be sure though. "Probably" is not a good word to use like you said. How do you find sources on a band that gets shunted left and right, has little to no media exposure, bet yet persists for over 16 years and 10 albums? There are some pretty good listings in the Willamette Weekly (the tour diary of Floater) for reference, but none that show critical data showing that they are still independent. No one is writing peer review articles on Floater, I'm sorry! But you're almost right; most, not some, of the bands listed in the wiki (at the point of entry for my submission )are not indie or independent. "Indie" or "independent" (from which the word indie is derived) is an ephemereal word to be sure, but with Floater that word has no ambiguity. It's plain as day with Floater. They are unsigned, have thousands of fans, sell out medium sized venues in Portland, yet remain absent. As for your suggestions that the Floater wiki page is making adverts or spam, I'm not sure how you mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.228.186.185 (talk) 03:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi- as an uninvolved party, two things for you. First, please sign your posts by inserting four tildes at the end, like this: ~~~~

Second, read the policy at WP:NOR, which talks about "no original research". In other words, find reliable sources for edits on Floater before adding the information. Wikipedia isn't a fansite, the burden of proof is on YOU to source the additions, not on Katr67. Peer reviewed articles aren't necessary, but if they are a notable musical group, some reliable source somewhere has written about them. There's plenty of Myspace bands that don't meet the bar. Keep the article to the Wikipedia standards and you should have no problem. Read WP:V, which states "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." And keep coming back here, Katr67 is smart and good at sorting through these things! Cheers, tedder (talk) 04:42, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict--written before Tedder chimed in) Please don't call me "Kat"--you can call me Katr. Actually, by "signing posts" I meant please put the four tildes-->~~~~ which gives a time and datestamp to your post so the bot doesn't have to do it instead. But if you do already have an account, by all means please remember sign in.

Re: "What is needed for you to do". Actually, I don't need to do anything, because the burden of proof in Wikipedia is on the folks who want to include the material in an article. You can try to convince me that Floater is bigger than Jesus but for Wikipedia purposes, all you need to do to is provide a citation to a reliable source that shows whatever it is you want to say. For example, in the lead of the Music of Oregon article you might type something like:

Floater is the most important Portland indie rock band not signed to any label (major or minor), according to ''Independent Music Publication That is a Reliable Source''.<ref name=Reliable Source>{{cite journal |url=http://www.example.com |title="Floater is the most important Portland indie rock band not signed to any label" |publisher= ''Independent Music Publication That is a Reliable Source'' |author= Music Journalist |date= May 29, 2009}}</ref> Despite not being on a major independent label, they have gained national attention for...etc., etc....and influenced bands such as...etc., etc....<ref name=Reliable Source/>

Do you see? It probably sounds really stupid, but we simply can't take your word that Floater is notable enough to mention in the lead of an article that is a general overview about the history of music in Oregon. Please click on the blue links I've made in my replies because I think that will help you understand what I'm talking about. Personally, I can tell you all about the popularity of the Cherry Poppin' Daddies in their early days in Eugene, what happened at their shows, etc., but I can't put any of that in a Wikipedia article because no one gives a rat's ass about my opinion on those matters. I'm just not a reliable source as far as Wikipedia is concerned.

So no, I am not asking for peer-reviewed journals, just reliable sources. Willamette Week would be a fine source. I'm sorry that Floater hasn't gotten more press, but I don't make the rules on Wikipedia, I just try to explain them. There are folks who would say the fact that they haven't received much press in fact makes them non-notable, but I think you just need to work a bit harder finding references is all. Read the blue links and it should be clearer. Another good thing to read is WP:BAND.

I did not say that the article for Floater (band) is spam or an advertisement, what I'm saying is that I've noticed that Floater fans (not you, I'm sure) seem to like to insert mention of the band in articles wherever they think it makes sense, almost to the point of acting like spammers, and sometimes these aren't very helpful edits. Your insertion of info about Floater into the lead of Music of Oregon looked something like that, especially considering the language issues already discussed. (Note that if you are logged in it helps you not look so much like a spammer.) Again, it seems like an excellent way to be loyal to one's favorite band, but that kind of thing can border on promotion, and one of the things Wikipedia is not is a place to promote a cause, company, favorite band, etc. It might even be something of a conflict of interest. So though I have no problem with the band Floater, the actions of a few overzealous fans can sometimes make Floater end up looking bad, which I'm sure is not their intention.

Please take some time to read and absorb the links I've provided. I'd suggest that after you read up, take a stab at putting in a well-sourced sentence or two in the article, and seek out a third opinion--WikiProject Oregon, Wikipedia:WikiProject Music or The Village Pump are good places to start. Unfortunately, I've found these sort of back and forth conversations about bands don't seem to go anywhere, so I think I've said all I have to say on the matter. Please do consult with some other editors. Good luck! Katr67 (talk) 06:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Added Floater to the music page, and I even logged in to do it! Got a lot of work done, and "took a stab" at adding Floater to the main paragraphs in Music of Oregon. Complete with two references (one a tv spot, and the other from the Willamette Week). So, I think what I have should stick now. Hope I got it right this time.Leitmotiv (talk) 03:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leitmotiv (talk • contribs) 03:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I don't want this paragraph to come off the wrong way, but that's probably unavoidable as usually I find people take my stuff the wrong way anyhoo. So with that said... Now after seeing the leading paragraphs for the Music of Oregon page, and seein' my inclusion of Floater complete with two references, I feel a little betrayed. Here are these wonderful references of Floater and wthout them Floater would be eliminated from the page. Yet I can't quite escape the fact that they are the only references in the whole first few paragraphs! Everything else is pretty much heresay, or links to other wikipedia pages, which is really just claiming itself as a source. Why was Floater taken off the page before, when nothing else was? I mean, nothing in the first paragraph has sources! So why pick on Floater? Ok. So maybe I'm beating a dead horse, but I feel my point has merit. I understand the page is a work in progress with a long way to go, but, I still can't help but feel scorned just a little. Or at least, like Floater was scorned. Maybe I'm missing something. I hope I am. Leitmotiv (talk) 07:51, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

(unindent) Possibly: See WP:DEADHORSE. But, hey my friend, you're entitled to feel however you want. For my part, I've taken Music of Oregon off by watchlist. Be BOLD! Delete the entire lede except the Floater stuff if you want to. I won't have any input on any Floater-related content anymore. If you need help, check in with WikiProject Oregon. Good luck and have a great day! Katr67 (talk) 23:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] blue ribbon schools

I thought you'd appreciate this list, yet another way to slice and dice Oregon's schools:

• User:Tedder/List of Blue Ribbon Schools in Oregon

It's autogenerated, so it certainly needs dabbing. Comments? tedder (talk) 03:55, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm proud to say I attended one of those schools during the year it was awarded the blue ribbon. It's what makes me such a fine Wikipedia editor today! ;) Good thing they never looked into the underbelly of the place though!

But seriously, I think if you want to take the list live, I'd leave off linking the middle schools and definitely the elementary schools (or of course you can link to the school district--it would be incentive to complete a few redlinked school districts.). Even with the Blue Ribbon designation, as I'm sure you know, it takes a lot for anything lower than high school to be notable. For that matter, is the Blue Ribbon School award notable? Oh, I see--it's a national award, so yes, I suppose it is! I haven't given the subject much thought since 1984.

Other than that, make it into a sortable table, and I think you have a winner. Maybe add a lede paragraph about Blue Ribbon Schools in Oregon if there's anything out there on that. Katr67 (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] awkward talk page wording

this comment: "and I'm saying that it is". Did you mean "and I'm not saying that it is"? tedder (talk) 17:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Of course, it's a typo. Busy, I'll fix it later. Katr67 (talk) 17:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Signpost: 1 June 2009

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[edit] And another...

... just like this one. — CactusWriter | ^needles 23:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Portmanteaus‎

Do you have enlightenment to share at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics#Portmanteaus‎? —EncMstr (talk) 19:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] WikiCookie for you!

Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 14:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Yachats

I'd be glad to take a look. I might not have time for a close reading until Sunday. Saturday is pretty well booked. Finetooth (talk) 02:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I thought I'd try to tackle the citation problems today, which keep leaping up at me. If you get time to move the sections around, that would be great. The text sandwich at the top needs fixing, and moving the climate section down might solve the sandwich problem or at least make it less dramatic. Probably the page has one too many images to squeeze into the available space; if Crankelwitz adds more text, the space problem probably goes away. Finetooth (talk) 17:19, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Blah blah blah, Oregon COTW

Hello to members of the WikiProject o' Oregon. Once again it is time for the Collaboration Of The Week. A thank you to everyone who participated in the Semi-annual Great Oregon Picture Drive, we added a lot of pictures. For this edition we have by request Mr. Maurice Lucas of the Blazers, and a maintenance type project with the Dab Patrol. For the later, pick any Oregon disambiguation page (mainly common city names) and use the "What links here" feature to find any stray incoming links and direct them to the correct article. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Peace out! Aboutmovies (talk) 07:21, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Yachats Bridge

It looks like you may know the location of the the North Fork Yachats River Covered Bridge! I looked for a source back when I was "coordinating" List of Oregon covered bridges but couldn't find one. Do you know if it is here? Yep, it's just a bunch of treetops, but zoom out, etc. to see if that's where you were. Flip to topomap mode to see why that's my guess. —EncMstr (talk) 01:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh dear. It is a bunch of treetops, isn't it. And it was. Oh...but where it says in huge letters "Covered Bridge"? LOL I think that's it. I'll go ask Twisted86 (talk · contribs) if he knows for sure--he was navigating. Katr67 (talk) 04:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

EncMstr is right on the money! Went back and checked my GPS track from that day, and that's the spot! — Twisted86 - Talk - at 05:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I figured you might still have that data. Have you hugged your GPS today? Katr67 (talk) 05:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, thanks! —EncMstr (talk) 05:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Redland

Okay, you are right, of course :-) It still looks awkward, though. What about changing it so it reads "The post office in Redland was established"? Seeing "Redland post office" just looks like it needs to be corrected to "Redland's post office", even though that's incorrect. (and yes, I'm a geek, so I put punctuation outside of quotes) tedder (talk) 06:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

EncMstr sometimes changes these too. The fact of the matter is, the post offices are named separately from the locales they serve, as are the old railroad stations. I'm sure you saw the convoluted history of the names of things at Oak Grove, Oregon--back in the day the post office wasn't always in the same location--it might not even be inside the town with the same name. All throughout OGN the sentences are phrased "Foo post office was established". I can see how it looks wrong grammatically, but if you think about it in terms of a "post office named Foo" instead of "The post office in Foo", in other words, an entity and not an actual building, it makes more sense. It's not worth edit warring over but note that I've written the phrasing similarly in 100s of community articles so if it bothers you, you have a lot of work to do! And no, I am not encouraging you to change them all--that would make me seriously grumpy. And "The post office in Redland..." is a bit wordy compared to the way I (and OGN) write it.

I punctuate with quotes however I get paid (or "paid") to. On Wikipedia, we do it British style--outside! Long live the Queen! Katr67 (talk) 15:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Aha, I get it now. I'm a little slow, but I see what you mean about the post office being its own topic, not just "a post office", but "the post office named Redland". I'm with you, finally :-) tedder (talk) 16:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

See? Piece of cake! Saint Benedict, Oregon is a great example of this sort of thing. Now if only I could figure out how to explain how a locale could be a railroad station but not be a "place"--I'm not sure I quite grasp that one yet. Katr67 (talk) 22:32, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Cannabis

You are invited to join WikiProject Cannabis, a WikiProject dedicated to improving articles related to Cannabis. You received this invitation because of your history editing articles related to the plant. The WikiProject Cannabis group discussion is here. If you are interested in joining, please visit the project page, and add your name to the list of participants.

From one WikiProject Oregon member to another, I thought I would send you this invitation. I am not sure if you worked on the Cannabis in Oregon article only for being related to Oregon, or if you are interested in cannabis-related material too, but I wanted to let you know about this new WikiProject just in case. The purpose of this new group is to improve articles relating to cannabis, including drug policy, cultural aspects, legislation, activists, strains, organizations, medical benefits, decriminalization, effects, etc.

Also, this brand new project is in need of expert assistance. If you are familiar with upgrading WikiProjects to include assessments, Collaborations of the Week, Recent Talk/Changes pages, DYK and Awards sections, templates/infoboxes, etc., feel free to offer any help you can!

If you are not interested, no problem--keep up the great work at WikiProject Oregon, and best wishes! --Another Believer _(Talk) 01:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Signpost: 15 June 2009

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[edit] Agness

I'll add this to my to-do list. You were very brave to tackle the whole pile of unincorporated communities, and I decided quite a while ago that you were the expert on this subject. I've wondered if any collection of houses in the woods counts as an unincorporated community. There seem to be many small clusters of buildings along remote streams. Could I call Marial, Oregon, which used to have a post office but which now may have only a lodge, an unincorporated community? By the way, I just nominated Illahe, Oregon, for a DYK. Having been flummoxed a couple of times by the instructions, I haven't been diligent about DYK noms. I used the boat-mule angle for a hook. Maybe this one will work. Finetooth (talk) 18:43, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I've been slacking lately but check this out. I can't take credit for all the improvements, obviously, but we've made quite a bit of progress since I first stumbled upon that list in '06.

This is what I do--I check GNIS. Anything that is listed as a "populated place" I count as an unincorporated community. If it is listed as a "locale", I call it such, but I put it in Category:Unincorporated communities in Oregon for want of a better place (and it seems unnecessary to complicate matters further). A "locale" probably should only get an article if it's redlinked in several places, like all those highway interchanges: Santiam Junction, Oregon, etc. If a "locale" also had a post office at one time, or if a "populated place" is designated "historical" then it may or may not be a "former unincorporated community", "considered a ghost town" or some other wording. I try to be objective about these things but I admit that often its a judgement call. How's that for vague? And I have to tread carefully about the "ghost town" thing--residents of supposed ghost towns insist that they aren't ghosts! And rightly so.

I'll look forward to seeing the DYK. I usually don't write articles that are long enough to qualify. Cirt and Aboutmovies and a couple other folks are DYK experts so if they know about an article they can help with the nomination process. Katr67 (talk) 19:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow! You've worked through an enormous fraction of the list. Your explanation of how to decide what is what sounds good to me. I'm going to copy it and hang onto it for future reference. Aboutmovies has encouraged me to pursue the DYKs and has nominated a couple of things I worked on. Like you, he is amazing. Finetooth (talk) 20:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] tidy and locmapin

What's the reasoning for removing "locmapin = Oregon" and just leaving it as "locmapin ="? It's hard to tell with an editsummary of 'tidy'? I'm sure it's correct, I'm just curious. tedder (talk) 04:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Because if there's a photo, we don't need the map. The map is mostly just a placeholder when there isn't a photo, and we have coords to click on for folks who want to see the location on a map. Infoboxes with both photo and map look tacky. Crappy even. Especially on stub articles. Katr67 (talk) 05:03, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

"tacky. Crappy even." I'll remember that :-) Hope you are having a good evening. tedder (talk) 05:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

If drinking a cup of coffee after a period of abstinence and being compelled to obsessively tidy NRHP articles instead of dealing with other stuff is good, well, then, yes. :) Katr67 (talk) 05:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Kite Man Says beware of powerlines

Hello to those who participate in WikiProject Oregon. Once again it is time for the Collaboration Of The Week. A thank you to everyone who participated in the Dab Patrol and improvements to Maurice Lucas. For this week we have Oregon company FLIR Systems, and a maintenance type project with the FA Update Drive. For the later, pick any Oregon FA class article and read through it to make sure it is still up-to-date. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. I like frogs. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] DYK for Alphonso Boone

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[edit] Welcomestudent

I have adpoted your template into {{Welcomestudent}}. Comments appreciated! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow! Looks awesome! Katr67 (talk) 22:12, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] CCS Future

Do you have opinions on Columbia Christian Schools#Future? I removed some of it, it was added back. There are no reliable sources to back it up. It's interesting, but seems borderline encyclopedic. I won't complain if it remains, but I wanted a third set of eyes to look at it. tedder (talk) 11:48, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Going back to this, I disagree with you on the redlink for Padden, and I'd like to add it back unless you have a strong objection. It's already redlinked elsewhere on Wikipedia, and certainly has enough sources to establish WP:N, if I didn't have such a problem with writing articles for a city I strongly dislike. tedder (talk) 18:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't see this post. OK, no worries. My knowledge of Vancouver is limited to bicycling there from NW PDX to Clark College and back (putting my life in peril), the impression that there's no "there there" and ongoing resentment that they tore down the old Lucky brewery. Katr67 (talk) 18:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, you and me both. I'll share stories over beer, not on Wiki :-) I don't mind editing, but I'm not in love with it like I am with Oregon. tedder (talk) 18:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

And another one- coords for Wellsprings Friends School. Do you know if this is it? tedder (talk) 15:07, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll check on Wellsprings. FYI, I'm declaring a potential conflict-of-interest, a friend is thinking about running for the school's board. Katr67 (talk) 17:11, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it's actually here: 44°02′24″N 123°08′45″W / 44.040064°N 123.145859°W / 44.040064; -123.145859. The building nearest the SE corner next to the building in your coords is Valley Covenant Church and its address is 3636 18th St NE, so the Street View "approximate" address is indeed thus. I could do some field research in a couple of weeks to make sure. Katr67 (talk) 17:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I'm asking some Eugene-based scum to verify the location for me. We'll probably have an answer today, unless someone needs to ride past to verify. tedder (talk) 18:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Excellent. I did some work on the CCS page. The siting issues seem notable enough if sourced. I think the anon may be motivated to find refs, which should be easy to acquire, but if not referenced soon maybe move the info to the talk page for discussion. I agree though, that some of it is interesting but perhaps not notable--everyone has a brick campaign--I wonder if any independent sources have covered the fundraiser. Katr67 (talk) 18:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree on the siting, though it'll probably be borderline. The brick thing is certainly weak. We'll see. tedder (talk) 18:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, my scum friends replied and gave confirmation that your coords are correct. I'll add it. tedder (talk) 18:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Ione

Thanks. I took this one as well as others in Baker City, Prairie City, and other places out that way last summer. When I travel, I always take my (fairly) trusty camera and its (sometimes) trusty operator. Finetooth (talk) 19:44, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] new theory

I think the article on SEHS would be shorter if we listed who isn't notable. tedder (talk) 19:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

::snort:: Cool, then you can list me! :) Katr67 (talk) 20:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Heh. tedder (talk) 20:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] Boz rates the day a Perfect Ten

Greetings and salutations to members of WikiProject Oregon. We hear bye announce another Collaboration Of The Week. Thanks to anyone who participated in updating any FA articles and for the improvements on FLIR Systems. This week we have two requests: former Blazer Sidney Wicks, and a key historical event with Oregon land fraud scandal. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] HS grad rates

If I standardize some text and come up with a list, will you help me edit all the HS pages to add the graduation rates that were released? tedder (talk) 01:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

If you didn't see, I got excited and did it myself. It turns out that the script was the hart part, the rest was just copy and paste, with some exceptions. tedder (talk) 06:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Authors of Oregon page

Do you think we should start a page regarding Oregon's resident authors? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.228.168.208 (talk) 05:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Dayton nitpick?

Can you look over this edit? I'm not 100% sure how to handle the conflicting infoboxes- for instance, I removed the addr and coords from the NHRP infobox. tedder (talk) 17:46, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Supposedly there's a way to nest infoboxes with the NRHP one (poke around the WPNRHP template pages), but I couldn't get it to work. That would be what I would do (nest them), besides remove the dupe info like you did. Let me know if you figure it out! Katr67 (talk) 23:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Huh, okay. Looks like consensus might be to add NHRP designation to the other templates- i.e., infobox school should have fields for NHRP so the second infobox is left behind. I don't think I'll worry about it, since it's the only one in the state (so far). tedder (talk) 03:13, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Interstate Bridge reply

I've replied in my Talk page. Thanks. BTW, no heat or anything in this, I just like the maps feature. - Denimadept (talk) 17:12, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Glendale Jr/Sr

First, thanks for cleaning up after me, especially when I left cities out. And the way you fixed Jewell and Knappa is perfect- I couldn't figure out how to resolve the mailing vs city issue. Curse that OCD!

Okay, on to Glendale Jr/Sr High School. While it serves 7-12, NCES and ODE call it "Glendale High", so I think we should go with that. I didn't want to change it before talking with you, though. tedder (talk) 01:43, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome! I'm glad my solution wasn't too clunky. Re:Glendale--hmph, grumble. They call themselves Glendale Jr/Sr: http://www.glendale.k12.or.us/hs_home.php so I would tend to go with that. But the "JR/SR" bit does seem to be kind of an afterthought. I haven't looked at the ODE list lately but I see it was updated in June--they seem to be the most accurate source. You might ask these folks: http://www.glendalealumni.com/ Do you see that whatever the school is called, its architecture features a pirate ship?! That's pretty awesome. Katr67 (talk) 21:44, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

It seems like ODE would be one of the best sources, though yeah, it's annoying the school and ODE don't agree. Pirate ship? That is awesome. I emailed them just to see what they have to say about the name, but I doubt it'll meet our standards (and especially these standards). this might help on the pirate ship thing, it certainly deserves to be in the article if we can find any hints about it. And now I really want a good photo of it! Besides the wrecks on the coast, the only 'local' pirate ship I know about is on the Roloff Farm; I was invited to his property ~13 years ago and got to see it. tedder (talk) 23:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] All wiki talk, all the time

Congrats on your new radio station article. Too bad it's not at 670 AM... --Esprqii (talk) 16:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh golly, here I thought I was the first one to spot it, and I see you've already been all over it. I shoulda known... --Esprqii (talk) 16:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Coincidence? I think not! Actually, my favorite station is WTMI! Your Way Too Much Information station! Or maybe WINO. Katr67 (talk) 21:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

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