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[edit] AfD on Cuisine of Dominica

The article, Cuisine of Dominica has been nominated for deletion as being non-notable. You can participate in the discussion here. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 03:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Just say no to no

Given what you wrote at Talk:No, you might like to see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/No (2nd nomination). Uncle G (talk) 21:23, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Medieval cuisine

Hi. I am doubting the claim that the modern term dry to describe wine comes from the humours. -Oreo Priest ^talk 13:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] IRC

I have clarified the comment about IRC. I will not however be withdrawing my comment about the terms negro or 'nigger'. It was a fair comment. You are apparently unwilling to accept that the term homosexual is offensive in the context, whereas gay is relatively neutral. It is your right to feel however you feel about the terminilogy, but that is as irrelevant as the people who try to argue that negro or 'nigger' are equivalent to black or African-American. We stick with what the sources say and use, and the sources say and use that homosexual is likely to be considered offensive and that gay is preferred. Nil Einne (talk) 09:35, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] What Language Template Indicates

Re your change of the section heading on the "Ottawa language" page, what the Language Template uses as a heading is in fact "Sounds/Phonology" and that's what I put. There's no direction to use one or other but not both, and I don't see how such an interpretation could be construed from the template. "Sounds/Phonology" is of course just another way of saying "Phonology and phonetics," the heading I had before. I will put this on the discussion page of the Ottawa language article, so all information concerning the latter is in one place. John Jomeara421 (talk) 17:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks and a request

Thanks for signing up at Wikipedia:Peer review/volunteers and for your work doing reviews. It is now just over a year since the last peer review was archived with no repsonse after 14 (or more) days, something we all can be proud of. There is a new Peer review user box to track the backlog (peer reviews at least 4 days old with no substantial response), which can be found here. To include it on your user or talk page, please add {{Wikipedia:Peer review/PRbox}} . Thanks again, and keep up the good work, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Let's keep the budget in SEK or ......

Let's keep the budget in SEK or it... what :)? Was your point that keeping the budget in USD is less accurate because the amount in SEK will fluctuate based on the exchange rate? This is certainly true, but isn't it pretty standard that the budget is listed in USD even for foreign films? decltype 12:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

That was my point, yes. I think I accidently hit enter while typing the edit comment. I just didn't see the point of listing the budget in dollars since it's bound to fluctuate, especially with a small currency like the Swedish krona.

Peter ^Isotalo 09:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Good work!

Thanks for the appreciation but the translation of the medieval cuisine, in it:wiki, has been realized by Cotton and I have made only some small correction.--Triquetra (talk) 12:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, yes. Wasn't paying attention when I clicked on the talkpage link. Thanks for the heads up.

Peter ^Isotalo 12:49, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Hats off to you for the nice job you did writing the article. I think it really deserves it's featured article star. I met some troubles only for some single words: for example dishes like "porridge" or "gruel" don't exist in italian cuisine so I had to translate them with something similar. I thank you for your help offer but in truth I'm not an expert in this subject. I asked to another italian user, who is fond in cuisine, to be my editor for the article, looking for typos and similar mistakes. Maybe, when the job will be done, she should have some questions for you. Bye and thanks again. --Cotton10 (talk) 18:20, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] DYK for Anna Maria Rückerschöld

On April 12, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Anna Maria Rückerschöld, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 15:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Long time

Hey Peter! Long time, no see - I've been taking a rather long break off Wikipedia, but I'm back and fully refreshed. I've been working on this article for a while, and wonder if you have the time and inclination to cast a fresh set of eyes on it? I'd like someone with a sharp set of eyes to point out as many mistakes, stylistic or otherwise, as possible.

Even after Vasa I'm not completely bored by the 1600's in Sweden. It's an interesting period in Swedish history, which is quite badly covered. My eventual goal is to cover all constituent conflicts of the Northern Wars in similar detail, and perhaps eventually work toward an FA or two :) henrik•talk 08:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Henrik! I'm currently finishing my kandidatuppsats in history, so I don't have time for any extensive wikiwork until early June. But I'll take a look at the war article. I think it would be nice to collaborate with you again since the last project was a very pleasant experience.

Peter ^Isotalo 08:02, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, best of luck with your kandidatuppsats! (Wild guess: Medieval cuisine related by any chance?) Yes, it was a good collaboration - I'd very much be up for a repeat. I'll throw out the earlier mentioned Northern Wars as a proposal, but if you have any better ideas for another area to improve let me know. henrik•talk 19:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Leonese language

Hello, I've seen you have been improving this article. I will thnak you if you could tell me how to do a Good Article, what do you believe it needs. Thank you very much.--Auslli (talk) 09:20, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Also I see you have reverted the constractive comparisions, that almost all languages have. Can you tell me wht's the reason?Thank you.--Auslli (talk) 20:06, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Lists of translated words don't belong in Wikipedia and are expressly recommended against by WP:LANG. You need to explain the presence of seemingly random tables properly. A heading called "Contrastive linguistic" (which is incorrect English) doesn't explain anything. I know various lists and tables common in many language articles, but that's because they haven't gone through too many quality controls. Compare with GA and WP:FA language articles if you want to see what is considered good-quality articles. None of them have unexplained tables or lists of words. If you want to see how to properly use extensive tables, see Ottawa language.

If you wish to have more assistance in improving the article, I recommend that we continue the discussion over at talk:Leonese language rather than here.

Peter ^Isotalo 10:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Peter

I am happy to announce that all of the multiple citations in Han Dynasty are now located in single footnotes, as you suggested they should be. And you're right! The article looks much less cluttered now. I'm curious: since this was the only issue you had qualms with, would you support the article in its current state?--Pericles of Athens^Talk 03:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I respect your work, and I understand that it must mean a considerable effort to expand an article to such an extent. However, I'm against really large articles. I'm generally not in favor of anything over 80k for FA, and by that I mean total size, not just the more or less contrived methods for calculating prose size. All in all, I think article of this size are too unwieldy and wholly unmerited in an encyclopedia which has infinite room for sub-articles. I've tried to oppose FA status for mammoth articles like Byzantine Empire on occasion without success, and in my opinion without even any proper discussion. I don't bother opposing on account of size these days. I occasionally go in and suggest improvement for very large articles, but I don't actively support them. I hope you will understand my choice in this matter.

Peter ^Isotalo 08:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] IPA

The point is that leaving off the diphthong diacritic renders the two consecutive vowels as belonging to two different syllables. This is not how the word is pronounced — this is a phonemic feature of German. Same goes for the bar above the t͡s affricate, although there it doesn't make much difference in German (in other languages it does). I do not understand why you prefer false transcriptions over exact ones, just because they look simpler to you. You're oversimplifying things in my opinion. — N-true (talk) 13:28, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I just looked for a kind of reference rule that explains how to transcribe names in the English Wikipedia and didn't find anything. Could you please be so kind to indicate the one you are (as I assume) referring to? If there's no such thing, it's clear that foreign words should rather be transcribed they way they're pronounced rather than how you think is simple enough (though wrong) for the general IPA-illiterate public. — N-true (talk) 13:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

You're insisting on some very narrow phonetic transcription of German which doesn't benefit legibility in the least. The difference between [ts] and [t͡s] in this context will simply not produce any problems, because the objective is to give a reasonable approximation rather than an exact reproduction. Neither will diacritics to specify diphthongs be a problem. Consider, for example, that English has diphthongs that are always transcribed as two vowels without any diacritics.

All transcription is a compromise between accuracy and what the context actually requires because it's a rendition of sound with text. If you look at the IPA used for English and several other languages In this case the "IPA-illiterate public", which is probably 99% of our readers, is not going be any wiser by inserting these type of specifics.

Peter ^Isotalo 18:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

That's your opinion, I see. Are you referring to any standard written out anywhere on Wikipedia? Because otherwise, I don't agree with preferring simplicity over correctness, when this is about phonemic difference. If there's no Wikipedia policy on this (yet), my opinion on this is as good as yours. — N-true (talk) 14:50, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure you understand the meaning of "phonemic difference" properly? None of the diacritics you're insisting have to do with phonemic differences, but are . What you're insisting on is is a narrow, descriptive, phonetic transcription. There are no minimal pairs in German where [ts] and [t͡s] or [aɪ] an [aɪ̯] signify different meaning. I suppose you might find some rare exceptions in odd words or word combinations where it would be meaningful to use the tie bar, but then we'de be talking about transcription of running speech, and that's quite different from transcribing single words.

You also seem to refuse to even comment that that the objective of a pronunciation guide here is not to describe highly specific aspects of German pronunciation, but to give a rough estimate of what German sounds like to readers who don't speak German.

As for written guidelines, please see Wikipedia:IPA for German. Nothing there suggests that diacritics should be used, and this is something supported by User:Angr, who is a trained linguist. I'm obviously not the only one disagreeing with you on this issue.

Peter ^Isotalo 05:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] George Lazenby

This is not a content dispute, it's a policy issue. All information added to articles must be supported by reliable sources cited in the text. That's not an opinion, it's a fundamental Wikipedia policy. I'd be more than happy to lift the protection when I can be assured that those who insist on reinserting that information stop doing so. Whether this is "vandalism" or "illicit disruption" is irrelevant. Wikipedia has policies that must be followed, and protecting articles after repeated violations of such policies is a valid recourse. Nightscream (talk) 00:19, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I did not say that the edit in question was "not illicit", and I'd appreciate it if you did not attribute words to me that I did not express. Whether the edit is "illicit" is irrelevant, as is whether it's "major" or "minor" (since those things are to some degree, subjective), and whether a multitude of other editors re-added it, especially when you consider that some of those editors may be anonymous IP editors or newbies who may be unfamiliar with WP's policies. If you insist on that information being in the article, why not do the right thing and follow Wikipedia policy by finding a reliable source for it? Do you dispute that WP:V requires this? Even if you do, the question remains: How do you know that that info is correct? Where did you come by it? Nightscream (talk) 17:49, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

You stated, "The intent is, as you say, not illicit,". I did not say that intent was not illicit. By implying I did, you attributed words or ideas to me that I did not express. In addition to this, your statement that I am "claiming that everyone who has disagreed with [me] so far are ignorant newbies" is a bald-faced lie on your part. You also continue to labor under the belief that WP:V pertains only to "slander" or "sensitive" material, when in fact, information must be sourced. I asked you point-blank, "How do you know that that info is correct? Where did you come by it?" You chose to evade that question. If this is the sort of standard to which "discussions" with you are kept, I think discussions with you will be pointless. But feel free to prove me wrong about you, and I may reconsider. Nightscream (talk) 13:56, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request

I ask you to help with "Russian language". It's nominatated into GA but has some problems covered in GA review. SkyBon^{Talk\Contributions} 19:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Tobacco

Hi! Would you be interested in helping to establish a WikiProject covering all aspects of tobacco? If so, please sign up here - cheers! bd2412 T 06:06, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Do you have time to peek at Malaysia–Sweden relations, a little help finding sources would help, or if you know of anyone else with good research skills with Swedish source material. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 13:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] RFC Health effects of tobacco

An RFC is being conducted at Talk:Health effects of tobacco, I thought you might be interested. 04:25, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Homelessness in Asia

Hi Peter,

I understand your desire for navboxes to be functional, but I really feel that the continental navboxes should be applied early, before too many of the pertinent articles are created. In this way, when the articles for other countries are created, they are more likely to use a consistent title format. Also, use of the navbox encourages users to create the missing articles. Red links are signs that the project still has room to grow; this is a good thing! If you feel strongly that 10% of a continental navbox should be filled with blue links before employed, you might want to recommend it as a new guideline here.

Neelix (talk) 11:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Pie

Hello although you can edit a page you do not have proof that pizza pie is not a pie in the article pie please use the sandbox for experaminting Thank You ----------Cream horn------ (talk) 17:47, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion nomination of of Wikipedia:WikiProject Netherlands/To-do

A tag has been placed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Netherlands/To-do, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

This to do list is not transcluded or linked and was only edited twice by a single user in 2007.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on [[Talk:Wikipedia:WikiProject Netherlands/To-do|the article's talk page]] explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Rubenescio (talk) 09:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed merges for Food and Drink

Based on your recent participation in several Food and Drink related merge discussions, I would like to point out several open discussions that might interest you:

Proposed merge of Jumbals to Jumble (cookie). Discuss here.
Proposed merge of Kerala porotta and Malabari paratha. Discuss here.
Proposed merge of Maple spice cake to Spice cake. Discuss here.
Proposed merge of Patty melt to Cheeseburger. Discuss here.
Proposed merge of Butterfly cake to Cupcake. Discuss here.
Proposed merge of Majboos and Kabsa. Discuss here.

--Jeremy (blah blah) 05:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)