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[edit] Proposed merge

The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.


The result of the discussion was No consensus. Non-admin close by Jeremy (blah blah) 06:04, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

McCafe into the main McDonald's article

McCafe is a product offering of McDonald's and should therefore be part of this main article 124.170.100.123 (talk) 21:33, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Support - I agree. With all of the new buildings including McCafe in the stores, it only seems right to include it within this article. --Sweet Pea 1981 (talk) 02:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose - I disagree. The McCafe article states that many McCafe's exist as separate outlets, and are seen in the US in the form of a McDonald's restaurant offering. StarfoxRoy(guestbook) 05:36, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Support - Although they may operate individually, they are still part of the McDonald's corporate concept and share many products as well. The McCafe article is very small as well and I do not see it getting much bigger unless information is related from the McDonald's article.--Chef Tanner (talk) 13:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose - McCafe is becoming an addition to the current US stores and is a stand alone in other places areound the world. It should be mentioned as this is the 1st of many specialty drinks McD has planned. Smoothies are next followed by bottled coke products like Rockstar, Powerade & Full Throttle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NThomas76207 (talk • contribs) 23:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Support - I agree that McCafe is a business concept of McDonald's and belongs in the main company article. They are being opened within existing McDonald's outlets and are generally not being opened as stand-alone, separate outlets. The McDonald's article already includes a mention of McCafe and a photo of one of the outlets. Geoff T C 15:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment - In Europe, the McCafe concept is standalone. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 20:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Support/:* Comment - Keep it the way it is. McCafe is a standalone concept since the marketing of the products is separate from the regular menu but theoretically it is part of any given German location since the McCafe is integrated into existing restaurants/within the same building (on the same floor but with its own counter/seating areas). There are exceptions to this though, the McCafe on the Hohe Straße in downtown Cologne is located on the 1st floor since the main restaurant occupies its own floor. In this exception, I concur with your reasoning that a McCafe is a standalone concept. Toni S. (talk) 14:14, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose Lets leave the way is is. --FixmanPraise me 22:19, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Lets do this the right way shall we? Please say support or oppose so we can get a good idea of the consensus. Also I will list this discussion on the Food & Drink and Foodservice Project pages. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 08:51, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Support - McCafe is found almost only in McDonalds locations, it is not a seprate business nor is it at a seprate location. For Example a wikipedia uuser wloud expect to finde information on Super Target In the Target Article. Same Goes True With A Fast Food Resturant If Mc Donalds Inc. Was building locations that were on McCafes i wloud then support a split --Koman90 (talk) 22:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Strongest Oppose Possible Per 1. It will make the McDonald's Article too big and violate WP:Size. 2. There are McCafe locations indpendant to McDonald's Restraunts (Same way with Pizza Hut and Wing Street). 3. Most all product lines at McDonald's are already on seperate pages (IE Chicken McNuggets, Big Mac, Big N' Tasty, Quarter Pounder, McRib, ETC) so merging in with McDonalds will break the standards already in place for this setup. (Also if ever single McDonalds Related Page was merged into the McDonald's this article will be well over 2-3 MB big, grossly violating the WP:Size Guideline and making it unreadable and uneditable on many computers, also the fact it will probably crash Wikipedia's Servers, and/or your web browser). So what really needs to be done is to make a McCafe Subsection on McDonald's products and/or McDonald's instead. Sawblade05 (talk to me | my wiki life) 23:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose Per WP:LENGTH, and the comments left by Sawblade05 above. It should be linked from this main article per the guidelines on splitting topics. Q T C 00:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Support - McCafe is a bit stub to be just a standalone article, besides it would make more sense to have these two merged. For example think about a case where certain small music bands with stub articles would have separated article for their discography. Okay, it's a pretty bad example but think about some of these following bands having such articles: Killer Dwarfs, Big Fun or Aurra (bands were selected randomly.). It would be pointless to have such short stubs lying around here. McCafe and McDonalds should be merged. Excuse my bad english 'n' good night. --82.181.12.27 (talk) 03:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Consensus is not reached by polling people! Please read WP:NOTAVOTE. Consensus must be reached by discussion from all parties. The359 (talk) 00:14, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

  • Support - I had just walked into a McDonalds in my town and I saw a McCafe in there! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tylerzie4 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose The McCafe concept has been floating around inside MCD for many years. Many different permutations of it (standalone, adjacent store, kiosk, counter, etc) exist, or will exist. Most strongly, McDonald's is about the corporation. Its foolish to include all the different international/local variations, in decor, menus, product names, etc. The menu items already are split out into different pages, McCafe at minimum can be seen as just a menu option for franchisers. Maybe we should discuss about merging Pret A Manger and Boston Market into McDonald's. McDonald's is already 37KB, clearly in violation of WP:LENGTH. Patcat88 (talk) 13:26, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose. McCafe is independently notable, and satisfies WP:N. The article could stand improvement, though: there are many WSJ and business-magazine stories on the McD challenge to Starbucks that are not in the article. THF (talk) 13:26, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.


[edit] 3-in-1 Restaurant Format

In the "Types of Restaurants" section there's no mention of the "3-in-1" test format from earlier this decade (~2001 - ~2003). Customers were seated by a host and ordered from phones with table service. The 3-in-1 referred to traditional McDonald's food, the dinner menu with things like roast beef and turkey dinners, and the expanded desert options. There were two locations in Lincoln, NE as well as at least a couple others. The 3-in-1's were extensively remodeled existing locations that were then eventually converted back into regular McDonald's. 76.84.106.195 (talk) 06:43, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

These were known as McDiners in my hometown Henderson, KY. We were part of the test group in the Indiana, Kentucky, and Illinois area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.102.226.185 (talk) 19:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] McDonalds College

Is there anything that mentions McDonalds College, and the corporation hiring only McDonalds employees? I didn't see anything. Asdfchristiejkl; (talk) 03:04, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New Logo

Please do not revert the McDonald's Article's logo to the old one with the red background, this new "Backgroundless" logo has ben in use since 2004 in the united states and this article is log overdue for a logo transition. However if wloud like to help make this new logo transparent or make it a vector format please feel free to do so. --Koman90 (talk) 22:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

The corporate logo is the red square logo. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 22:23, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] About location types

Some museums have McDonald's restaurants in them, like the Field Museum, where there is a McDonald's in place of a food court. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.187.41 (talk) 04:36, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Addition to "See also" section

{{editsemiprotected}}

  • Tao Lin, a novelist, short story writer and poet, features McDonald's in a short story in his book Bed.

Ivy.palma (talk) 07:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC) Ivy.palma

Hmm... I wouldn't put it in there, since a lot of books mention McDonald's, but I want some other opinion. Leujohn (talk) 10:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


True, many books include it. This one differs in that it portrays a pervasive view of McDonald's held by a significant portion of the current generation. How the youth views McDonald's has everything to do with the quantity of people who will visit the fast food chain, let alone frequent it, hence potentially affecting its income. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivy.palma (talk • contribs) 12:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Not done: Until a source is provided showing specifically that Tao Lin's story has affected the corporation.--Aervanath talks like a mover, but not a shaker 21:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Presence in Zimbabwe

Can anyone provide a source for the presence of a McDonald's store in Zimbabwe. I've never come across one in all my time there (that doesn't mean there isn't one but I have been around Zim quite a lot). Mangwanani (talk) 17:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] First Restaurant

Actually the first McDonald's was NOT in San Bernardino. They said this on the Rose Parade, does anyone remember what they said was the first? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.93.182.122 (talk) 00:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Quarter Pounder Shops in Japan

A while back, McDonald's opened up Quarter Pounder shops in Japan. A sort of sleek (relatively speaking) black and red bar look. There was a lot of secrecy leading up to the opening. From what I read, they were supposed to be temporary (to generate 'buzz'), but it seems worth mentioning on here to me (if anything, especially because it didn't get as much coverage in the mainstream media in the U.S. and was covered more by bloggers.) One article that discussed it - http://inventorspot.com/articles/mcdonalds_japan_goes_nobrand_with_quarter_pounder_shops_19505

(Or maybe it should go under the Quarter Pounder entry? But it seems silly to have an entry just for the Quarter Pounder anyway.) ----Lulugo

[edit] McDonald's competing with Starbucks for coffee sales

This seems significant enough that it might be worth including. They even have a dedicated website - http://www.unsnobbycoffee.com/ ----Lulugo

[edit] Remove Cayman Islands

{{editsemiprotected}} There is no Mcdonalds in the Cayman Islands.

Do you have any way of authenticating your statement? Perhaps a list of McDonalds in the Caribbean or something? NuclearWarfare (Talk) 22:01, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Mc Cafe

Mc Cafe offers Moca Late Cappicino and they offer different flavors of moca. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mstreit44 (talk • contribs) 13:51, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Log out and take a look at the McD's page

I just registered here because there seems no way to draw this to your attention without doing so.

When I searched for McDonalds and went to the page, it redirected to one that says "McDonalds sucks, Hungry Jacks is better".

You may want to look into this, because I'm pretty sure it's not the information that you all want up there.

Cheers, Jane :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jane Blogs (talk • contribs) 04:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

It's not hard to notice, but in the introduction it constantly states that it is "the most fattening restaraunt". I cant do anything I'm not a member on Wikipedia. Dark Dedede 20:47, 20 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.191.108 (talk)

[edit] Kazakhstan

There's absolutely no McDonald's in Kazakhstan but why it's placed in Countries with McDonald's? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.47.251.182 (talk) 09:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Service at McDonald's

Does McDonald's serve 47 million customers daily? Mbedri1212 (talk) 01:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Environmental efforts

Earlier this week the Times (in the U.K.) had an online article about McDonald's greening efforts. It mentioned that in 2000 it tried its first intentionally "green" restaurant in Sweden and opened a "prototype 'green' restaurant" in Chicago last year that is designed to save energy.

I would like to add this to the environment section of the article, as well as that it is planning to open green restaurants in Brazil, Canada and France and the specific energy efficient steps the Chicago restaurant offers. What is the general consensus, can I add this? Rosestiles (talk) 09:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)rosestiles

YES, this should be added. Since making things 'green' is a priority for everyone (it seems), this would be a good idea to add this. Sweet Pea 1981 (talk) 20:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Pakistan

I like to add this picture of McDonald's in Islamabad, Pakistan. How I do this?

McDonald's in Islamabad, Pakistan

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.73.6.206 (talk) 17:30, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Category:American culture

Please add. I'm going for a Big Mac now. 166.217.146.252 (talk) 18:47, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

You call MacDonald's a part of your "culture"? Nonsense! Spend some 10 years in France, and then you will have a hint of what Culture is! --AVM (talk) 17:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Brunei

{{editsemiprotected}} There's a McDonalds in Brunei - being an independent country this should be added to the list of countries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calilover (talk • contribs) 07:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Not done for now: I'd like to see a source first. —Ms2ger (talk) 17:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Not certain how official a source it needs to be, however the following makes mention of at least 2 McDonalds in Brunei: http://www.marimari.com/content/brunei/restaurants/restaurants.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calilover (talk • contribs) 12:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Needs to be a reliable source - like a mention in a newspaper or something.  Chzz  ►  23:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

AP article talking about McDonalds in Brunei:

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-19560798.html

Roayl Brunei subsidiary owning McDonalds in Brunei:

http://www.bruneiair.com/aboutus/subsidiaries.asp

and Wikipedia itself elswhere claiming there is a Brunei in McDonalds:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_McDonald's_franchises

Sorry to be awkward about this, but I also googled, and found similar. The problem I have is, I can't see an RS that supports the fact that there is a McD's in Brunei. Re. the refs given;
  • The first is a side-mention in an article about the menu in 1998,
  • The second is a passing mention about the shareholders in McD Brunei but doesn't actually state that there is a restaurant
  • The third is wikipedia, and we can't 'cite' ourselves
As I say, I'm sorry - I personally believe there *is* one, but I can't find an RS to verify the fact, suprising as that is. I'd like to find something saying "McDonalds opens in Brunei" or similar, but have been unable to do so.
Hence, still not done for now. Thanks, and hope you understand why I can't.  Chzz  ►  16:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Error in "Products" section regarding soup

The Products section says that soup is served only in Portugal, but the McDonald's products (international) article says that soup is available in many countries. 67.164.125.7 (talk) 01:37, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Low Sodium Options

McDonald's pre-cooks burgers, adds salt, and keeps them on hand for a limited period of time so they can be used to prepare sandwiches very quickly. This procedure greatly increases speed but causes the burgers to dry out noticably. If you're willing to wait two or three minutes, you can order your burger with "no salt" and they'll have to cook a patty fresh for you. You get a much juicier burger that way and the sandwich still has considerable salt due to the presence of pickles. You can also add more salt yourself if you wish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.83.97 (talk) 21:50, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Random musings

I have various information that would definitely be of note and interest to the article but you can bet your bottom dollar you'll never find a WP:RS to support it- I work in a McDs and so have a... unique insight! Also, (again, from my own knowledge- I've seen it!) there's a McDs in Saint Petersburg (Oh, the irony!) which might be worth a mention. Finally, whack "McLenin's" into google for a little comic relief! HJMitchell You rang? 23:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Channel Islands

Where the locations of McDonalds are listed, there are McDonland outlets in Jersey, Channel Islands, as well as Guernsey. These should be added. Also the gray dots in the image of outlets is gray, where in fact it should be in color for the Channel Islands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.112.157.162 (talk) 17:51, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Simplot

Simplot is the suplier of McDs but is not mentioned in the article. in the Simplot article it is mentioned. --70.253.189.141 (talk) 22:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Image gallery

There is already a link in the external links section called "Worlds Biggest McDonald's Photo Collection" which already contains most if not all the images displayed in the gallery section. I've tagged it for now. Propose that the image gallery section be trimmed or removed entirely, per WP:IG. -- OlEnglish (Talk) 23:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

No. They're free, and they're different from each other. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 10:42, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Corporate Logo?

Didn't McDonald's change their corporate logo to just the golden arches without the word "McDonalds" like a decade ago? This page seems dated with an 80s era logo at the top.--CastAStone//₵₳$↑₳₴₮ʘ№€ 20:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] McDonalds

perhaps information should be added about McDonalds and sustainable practices such as McDonald's is the largest purchaser of beef in the U.S. and beef production generates more greenhouse gases than any other food product. And maybe McDonald's efforts to combat this.

Also a reference to the film Food, Inc. might be helpful —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.107.9.74 (talk) 15:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] How did you make your template?

How did you make your template for all the assets and industries.. ect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.151.87.149 (talk) 11:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New logo

Why you put the "I'm Lovin It" image on the McDonald's article? Instead, use the 80s McDonald's logo with the word "McDonald's" on the golden arches.Mac Tonight (talk) 11:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Because this is the current logo, not the 1980's one. That's generally how things go. --12.18.213.161 (talk) 18:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm loving it is an ad tag line, not a logo. The logo at the top of the article is the corporate logo, not the advertising logo or the store logo. Since this article is actually about McDonald's corporation and not the local McD's restaurant, that is what we use. Also, please read WP:Common name before asking why isn't the article called McDonald's Corporation. --Jeremy (blah blah) 18:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
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