Talk:Desinicization

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Contents 1 The article in question 2 airport comment 3 actually, we should probably delete that whole section "by the chinese communist party" 4 Kuomintang 5 Changes 6 Sinicization 7 Remove this because this is wrong 8 Japan 9 "Nationalists"

[edit] The article in question

Why is the article on Desinicization focusing so much on Taiwan and China? According to the Chinese version, it is simply the removal of chinese influence and customs from other countries/regions. In this case wouldn't it make more sense to address Vietnam, Korea, and Japan separately? AKFrost (talk) 04:25, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] airport comment

"Hence for the past 30 years or so, the mainland Chinese never knew that there was an airport in Taiwan that is called "Chiang Kai-shek airport."

- what a crock of sh_t. with a massive populace like China's, to generalize them as "the mainland Chinese" who "never knew" about CKS airport, is problem enough. then to say that this lasted for 30 years (and implying that perhaps it even continues?) is even stupider. let's assume that, for the first 15 years, the PRC was somehow indeed such a closed-information society that something like this could not have reached the ears of the general populace. but to then claim that such a state of affairs persisted another 15 years, during which business, travel, communication, and media links have been ever present and only increasing, is preposterous.221.222.224.41 (talk)

[edit] actually, we should probably delete that whole section "by the chinese communist party"

"desinicization" is not even the applicable term for most of the phenomena and events described in that section.221.222.224.41 (talk)

[edit] Kuomintang

Need citation for this since, I don't think it is true.

In 2005, a delegation of Kuomintang went back to China. The Chinese government usually likes to add the word Chinese in front of everything from Taiwan, such as Chinese Taipei, which is opposed by Taiwanese. However, this time, the government referred to the Kuomintang, the Chinese Nationalist Party, as a "Taiwan political party". Hence, to the Chinese government, the Chinese Nationalist Party is not an official Chinese political party.^{[citation needed]}.

Roadrunner (talk) 16:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Changes

1) The politically-neutral term of the ideology as used by both sides on Taiwan is "Chinese unification" 2) Most of the changes were changes in tense 3) The last section is just unsupported editorializing (and it's also not true)

President Ma is expected to reverse all of the desinicization campaigns, which would no doubt incite animosity from ethnic Taiwanese.^{[citation needed]}

Change terminology since the official policy of the Kuomintang is "no independence, no unification, no use of force." Roadrunner (talk) 14:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sinicization

In the "Taiwan" section of the article there should be some mention, as background, of the Sinicization that occurred under the KMT. For example, the renaming of the streets of Taipei from their original Japanese names to names designed to reflect the geography of China. Readin (talk) 02:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Remove this because this is wrong

Remove the assertion that Ma's "resincinzation" will incite ethnic animosity. If you have verifiable sources that say that it will, put in back. Otherwise it's just editorializing (and wrong). Roadrunner (talk) 03:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

You need to refrain from labelling others edits as "wrong".

It's factually incorrect. If you have a verifiable source that justifies it then we can discuss it. Roadrunner (talk) 05:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Please come up with more convincing excuses for your POV pushing endeavors in the future. Of course Ma's policy would incite racial conflict. Most ethnic Taiwanese despise Chinese culture especially half a century of oppression.

No they don't. My wife is a benshenren Taiwanese from southern Taiwan. My kids spend the summers in Taiwan. You are just incorrect about what people in Taiwan think about Chinese and Chinese culture. Under wikipedia rules, my experiences is "original research" but I've tried to put up citable sources that justify my edits. Roadrunner (talk) 05:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

It is obvious that you support Kuomintang's oppression of ethnic and enslavery of ethnic Taiwanese.

I support the Kuomintang and so I am happy to say that 60% of Taiwanese voters also did in the last election. Yes I'm human and I have political causes that I support, but I try to work with people that disagree with me. Roadrunner (talk) 05:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Too bad 'pedia is not the right forum to express your hatred toward Taiwanese and your faulty assumption that Taiwanese are somehow a subordinate to Chinese.--Certified.Gangsta (talk) 04:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is supposed to be an accurate summary of what the state of scholarly research is, and I happen to think that you are extremely misinformed about what Taiwanese people think, but again this is original research and not citable, but I've provided a lot of citations that justify my views here. Where are your citations. Roadrunner (talk) 05:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Japan

I removed the line below because I'm not sure what it is saying or how it relates to desinicization. If someone decides to put it back in, the term "Japs" should be changed because some people may find it offensive.

"Kanji characters were simplified in their own program, to make it easier for Japs to learn Kanji."

Readin (talk) 23:25, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Nationalists"

When did we start using "Nationalist" (or the more neutral and clearer "Chinese Nationalist") instead of "Kuomintang" or "KMT"? Readin (talk) 14:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC)